It’s The Human Experience: Overcoming Self-Doubt, Embracing Self-Worth & Emotional Intelligence, Strengthening Self-Awareness, Building Confidence and Purpose
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It’s The Human Experience: Overcoming Self-Doubt, Embracing Self-Worth & Emotional Intelligence, Strengthening Self-Awareness, Building Confidence and Purpose
90. Breaking Free from People-Pleasing: Building Faith, Family & an Empire
From healing people-pleasing tendencies to building a faith-centered business empire, Jasmine Hawks takes us on her remarkable journey of transformation and growth in this candid conversation.
As a mother of four who spent 14 years as a stay-at-home mom, Jasmine shares how she navigated the challenging transition into entrepreneurship while keeping her family at the center. "I have to spend time with my kids, I have to spend time with my husband because I am doing this for them," she explains, highlighting the importance of creating boundaries that protect what matters most.
When faced with overwhelming business challenges, Jasmine reveals her grounding techniques: "I go to my husband because he keeps me grounded... I'm constantly praying and asking God to help to give me wisdom." This faith-centered approach has become the foundation of her business philosophy, leading her to create the Becoming Her Magazine and the Fearless Flock social club—spaces where faith isn't just acknowledged but celebrated.
Particularly insightful is Jasmine's rejection of hustle culture: "God does not want us to deplete ourselves... Yes, push forward to your dreams, don't give up, but don't overwork yourself, because then it changes your viewpoint of the dream." Her perspective challenges popular notions that success requires sacrifice of health and relationships, offering instead a sustainable approach to achievement.
For anyone struggling with people-pleasing tendencies, battling perfectionism, or trying to align business goals with personal values, Jasmine's story provides both validation and practical wisdom. Her journey reminds us that we don't have to compromise who we are to achieve success—in fact, embracing our authentic selves might be the very key to unlocking our unique path forward.
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That was an aha moment for me that I had to heal that people pleasing mindset quickly because people will take advantage of that and I have had that happen.
Speaker 2:Welcome to it's the Human Experience Podcast Hosted by Hazel Brown, a health care leader, wife, mom and career coach. If you're big on authenticity, personal development, perseverance and transparency, you're in the right place. Get ready to be uplifted, inspired and empowered as you become fearless in pursuit of the life you desire and deserve. Go ahead and subscribe.
Speaker 3:You don't want to miss out on these transparent stories and discussions that reveal highs, lows, aha moments and nuggets the just ways of going through the human experience so that we can be able to bet on ourselves, live out our dreams, make our goals happen and know that within the experience, like God got us. Hey Jasmine, thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm so excited to have you. Like, we we're really just gonna have a conversation and we're gonna just jump right in. So the first thing I want to ask you is who is Jasmine?
Speaker 1:Ooh, that's a layered question. Who am I? I am, well, mom of four. I am a devoted daughter. I love my mom, aw, and my grandma, and I am a serial entrepreneur. That is where my heart lies. Business is where my heart lies. I went to school to get my master's in business administration. So, like all business, that is that's me, that's my core.
Speaker 3:I love that. What led you to pursue business administration as your degree?
Speaker 1:I just wanted to learn the ins and outs of business. But then, to be transparent, they don't really teach you how to run a business in school. They teach you how to be an employee. Yeah, so that was a little disheartening. You know, I cried a lot of tears about that because I'm like, well, I'm already halfway into my master's, you know, and I'm finding this out, so I might as well finish. But you know, it was kind of like dang, like I felt like I got lied to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's definitely a lot of systems that are being taught as it relates to being able to understand like the components of accounting, of economics, but not necessarily like putting it together.
Speaker 3:So I like to say that like they separate the different pieces and then we have to still put the puzzle together, and I'm always a proponent of school and education, but then I also feel like, man, these are things that should be taught in high school and middle school, these are not things we should have to pay for, and that you just think about how much more evolved the society will be in terms of everyone out here in the world if we got taught these things and then, as a decision in furthering our education, we got taught the things to actually like glue the puzzle together. Right, it would just be so much better. What would you say were some of your aha moments on the journey as it relates to going after your goals, putting the pieces of the puzzle together and kind of reflecting on who Jazz was as a child and what you thought life would be as you got older?
Speaker 1:I guess I'm currently going through a lot of those aha moments, cause growing up younger, jasmine was a people pleaser, right, and so being in business, you cannot be a people pleaser because, you'll have people walking all over you left and right and then you're like, oh my God, what's going on? And so that was an aha moment for me, that I had to heal that people-pleasing mindset quickly, because people will take advantage of that, and I have had that happen.
Speaker 3:I think that for faith-centered people and heart-centered people, we grow up thinking that being a good person means that you're making other people happy and then, as you get older, you recognize you have to serve yourself first and you have to put some boundaries in place Like what are some boundaries that you've had to put in place to be able to make sure that, in the heart of who you are, you're protecting that, so that you can be able to pour into your children, your husband, your mom, your grandmother and the people that mean so much to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can really agree to that. A lot of my stuff was you know, is this right? Is this what I'm supposed to be doing? In God's name? Yeah, right, because you know, having those boundaries does make people really upset and then it makes you kind of feel bad in a sense. But that's that, people pleasing. It makes you kind of feel bad because you're like, well, you know, is this what God is calling me to do? So that was a lot of questioning that I was doing. It's not allowing people to control me.
Speaker 1:You know, I have a habit of, just you know, falling back a little bit and letting people take the lead. You know, I, I have a habit of, just you know, falling back a little bit, um, and letting people take the lead. You know, especially when I'm I'm, I'm still in that learning stage and it can really get out of hand. So I have, I had to create that boundary, um. And then the other thing is is you know me being away from my family too long? You know, um, my kids are used to me being around them 24-7.
Speaker 1:I was a stay-at-home mom for a lot of years, you know, like over 14 years I was a stay-at-home mom, and so, you know, being away from my kids for long periods of time and I'm constantly in and out the house, you know I have to, you know, set some boundaries. Like I have to spend time with my kids, I have to spend time with my husband because I am doing this for them, and so taking them out of the equation, not spending time with them, not giving them the attention that they need, is kind of counterproductive. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I love that so much.
Speaker 3:I think recently I watched something that maybe it was the Rock I hope I'm quoting the right person was the rock, I hope I'm quoting the right person, but he kind of talked about how early on in his career he would separate his family from his career to where he wasn't bringing them with him when he went on different things.
Speaker 3:And y'all correct me if I'm wrong and it's the wrong person, but it was one of these stars that did not bring their families with them. And then, as they got a divorce and they had to rebuild their life, their new wife and children they go everywhere with them because they recognize that sure that they're in communication of what's going on, but also you're making time for them in terms of being intentional, you're able to continue I heard you say at the beginning and counting is able to be that because there's that communication and that's remembering that all of it is for the life that I've already built and we're just trying to get higher on the journey and in order to do that, we got to make sure we prioritize that too. So I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with that For sure. Like my husband and I, we we're always talking about you know what I'm going through, or what's going on in the business and stuff like that he doesn't like being out in the limelight. You know he's a homebody. He like he prefers to be at home. He's a gamer, so that's where you know he wants to be and so. But he's still, you know, active, just on the back end, you know, and so, and that that I do love, you know, is still have that support system.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that so much. I want to ask you, like, when you start to feel overwhelmed by your goals or the weight of expectations, how do you change your approach and stay aligned to your true purpose?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's another good question. Well, I know, when I get overwhelmed, I go to my husband because he keeps me grounded. Because he keeps me grounded, you know, I'm constantly praying and asking God to help to give me wisdom. You know, because I, you know, it's one thing to you know, to be in business, you know, and especially when like now that I'm 34, you know, I'm really getting into the scope of business. So this is really like a first time. I've had plenty of other businesses but I've never been like in this, this realm, before, right, and so I'm, I'm, I'm definitely overwhelmed, I'm definitely, um, I'm definitely in the learning season. Um, god is definitely keeping me. Uh, yeah, so my husband, god and my husband is what keeps me, um, from being too overwhelmed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that because and I appreciate your transparency on that because I feel like the reality is every stage of our level up, we're going to feel overwhelmed, yeah, and we're going to need people that ground us, whether it be your husband, your friends, your family members or a community of people that you decide to make sure that is a part of your life, because that's going to happen.
Speaker 3:The only way you don't feel that overwhelm is when you're in your comfort zone, when you're doing the things that you've already done and you're used to, and you're kind of just hiding out. Then you don't necessarily experience all that turbulence. Life's still life, but it's a different level of life when you're out of your comfort zone. So I appreciate your transparency as it relates to yeah, this does happen and when it does happen, this is what I do and it's important to have that. This is what I do, because many times, the reason why people stop and give up is because they don't have the. This is what I do. They don't have the. I go to God, I go to my husband, I make sure I'm around the people that matter.
Speaker 1:And that's what kind of makes us stuck. So I love that for you. Yeah, because me quitting or me giving up is not an option. You know I have spent so much time like taking away from my family that like I got to make this work, you know, because they're depending on me to make this work, and so you know, I do feel myself sometimes going into that child state and I'll go to my husband and I'll just cuddle, Like I don't want to talk sometimes, just cuddle so that I can just, you know, regain myself again, Cause it's hard Business. Having a business is hard and anybody who says that is not is lying.
Speaker 3:Yeah for sure, absolutely. I think there's heavy entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship and entrepreneurship is a beautiful thing from the perspective of it's truly a faith walk. It's truly like your trust in god and knowing whatever he's putting your spirit to do, you actualize it. He got you and he's going to introduce you to all of the right people. That is going to help to propel you for where you need to be. But within that, you have to trust yourself and there are going to be some people that come along to test you and you're going to have to decide God, did you send them to me to like deter me, build a muscle?
Speaker 3:Understand that there's more people like this as I go up on the journey, like what am I supposed to do with this person or this thing or this situation? Because it happens from time to time. And as soon as you think that you've like built that muscle in that area, it's like these movies and these games that we play, like you done killed this monster to your point of your husband like in gaming and then you get to the next level and he's bigger and you're like, yeah, boss level.
Speaker 3:I thought we figured out how to do this thing, so I love that you shared that and I'm glad we had the reference to gaming, because I feel like life sometimes is a lot like those Mario games, those Sonic, those Super Nintendos that we used to play, and it's heavy on that. When it comes to entrepreneurship, like you think I don't max out this game now we done, and the only time you get done is when you're done, and it's like we have to understand that we have to build that muscle because it's just a part of life. So I love that you even have that reference Like it's like that gaming muscle and that makes sense in terms of him being able to say yeah, babe, just come cuddle up with me, I get it. Listen, we done, did that in the game. This is a game of life. So I love that. Oh, awesome. Let's see. When nothing seems to be progressing, how do you remind yourself that you're still growing?
Speaker 1:Let's see, you're like that's a good one, it's another good one. At least you guys know that. This is straight coming from the noggin. This is not scripted. Yeah, uh, scripted, yeah, um, I can, I can tell because of of just how things are going.
Speaker 1:I, I, at this current moment, I, I, I'm still going like there's no, there hasn't been no, no breaks. Honestly, like I'll be asking God like can I, can't, can I get a break? Um, I'm just constantly growing and again, I think that's because I did come from me being a stay-at-home mom. No-transcript, to be transparent, you know my husband is a provider, right, you know so, and we got married early on and we started having kids early and so, and he took that, that provider role. So I, just I stayed home. You know it wasn't a requirement for me to have a job, for me to have a business. You know, only requirement was to take care of the house and to take care of the kids. You know it was me that wanted to to do something with my life go to school, um, you know, have a business, stuff like that and so I, I feel like I'm, I'm there is no, not growing because I came from being a stay at home, mom. It came from just being at my mom's house, so I'm constantly growing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what made you change in terms of your mindset? And I feel like this question is important because there are a lot of stay-at-home moms that at some point recognize like man, I got dreams, I have goals, I have something in me that is saying that I should be doing something else as well as taking care of the family. Like, where did that come from in that feeling that I want to go to school to get my master's in business administration? I want to be able to build a business? Where did that come from?
Speaker 1:Um, well, the school part came from, um, my grandmother, right, um, my grandma, she, she, she wanted to get, uh, her master's, um, and so so you know, I saw my grandma, she, you know, she was older, you know, and so, like she's still going to school, she was in nursing and you know, most of my family is in nursing. I'm like I don't want to do nursing yeah, I'm heavy on that like everybody's in nursing. I'm gonna do the complete opposite. Um, but I saw my grandma, you know she worked till. She was like, like, correct me if I'm wrong, grandma, but she was like in her 70s, like 60s, 70s, still working in the medical field, you know, still going to school, and so you know that drove me to have that mindset and you know she stopped before she could get her master's because it became too much, and so I said that I'm going to finish. You know what? What she couldn't. So I went to the same college that she went to and I got my master's, um, you know, cause I wanted to make her, make her proud.
Speaker 3:That's so beautiful. That's so beautiful in the essence of your grandma, showing that it doesn't matter how old you get. Yeah, you can actualize any of your goals at any point, like you don't have to stop because you reached to a certain age. You can pause in any instance and you could pick it back up and keep going, and I love that. You're like grandma I got you, I got this torch. We go into the same place. We're going to make it happen. I'm going to be the finisher in what you started. So I love that for you and her. That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:We did have other college graduates but you know for my, for my family.
Speaker 1:I was like I wanted to to show them that we can do more. You know, um, and as far as you know, with me, have having the mindset of having a business, I've always wanted to help my husband, um, provide for our family, our family, and so I couldn't be out of the house because of our kids. Our kids were small Even still, I'm still trying to figure out how to even have a job, and my kids need me so heavily Now. They're in sports, they're in all of this, and we don't have the help as some people may have, and so that responsibility does fall on me, and so the only thing that I could think of was having my own business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. It's like okay, I feel that I have it in me to be able to do this.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:I have to look at the cards that I was dealt and with the life that I'm living and what's priority. And then how do I create something that's created around the life that I already have, that I want to keep it moving, and then I'm going to create a business. I really love that and want to sit into that because I feel like as a career coach. Many times I would tell people that instead of picking careers that just align with your degree, you have to decide on what kind of life you want and then pick the career that aligns with that life. And that's exactly what you did.
Speaker 3:Many times, people would pick careers that say I'm going to be a nurse, right, and in order for you to make the money that you want to make in nursing, sometimes you're picking up two and three shifts as opposed to just having a regular nine to five. You end up having like 36 hours at one hospital and 36 hours at another hospital, and then they're able to make bank. But like, how much time are you taking away from your actual life? Yes, it looks good on the outside, in the essence, that you are making all this money, but the reality is like you're burnt out, you're away from your family, you're away from your kids, you're away from your friends and your family members, and you definitely can't start a business if you wanted to start a business. So I love that you looked at the life that you had and you looked at what you wanted and you created something that aligned with the life that you were building.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I did, you know, with like, with that instance. You know, when I was going to college I was still trying to figure out my, my life and everything like that, and I wanted to do radiology. You know I was really interested. I know I said I didn't want to do the medical field, but you know I did think about it, you know. But when it came to that intern part, when I was doing the research, when it came to that intern part, I had to be away from eight to five. Got it, you know, and how could I do that? So, yeah, I to your point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to find something that aligned with my family and and my responsibilities yeah, I love that and I think in the essence of your grandma, like if ever came back up, that is something you still wanted to do, like you could do it whenever you know what I mean the kids are out the house, I'm going back and I'm going to do radiology if that's what I feel like doing in that season. So I definitely wanted to bring that back because I love that. I love that energy of it doesn't matter when I could still do it. That's beautiful to have that like your DNA of. Yeah, we don't stop just because we're at a certain age. We make it happen and we keep it going. Yes, I want to see.
Speaker 1:Let's see what's one turning point in your life when you realized that the only thing holding you back was you. I played it small for a lot of times, just out of you know, respect, you know for the other person, and that was I felt. I feel like that was being taken advantage of and almost like a form of weakness, right. And so now I have the opportunity to push forward past that. I have the opportunity to push forward past that and to heal parts of me that I didn't really know that I needed to, or that I do now need to heal because it was very traumatic. And so now, yeah, I'm currently in that season, got it.
Speaker 3:Okay, you're like, I'm in it. I don't know if I want to talk too much about this season because I'm still walking through that water. I'm in it I don't know if.
Speaker 3:I want to talk too much about this season because I'm still walking through that water. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair and I think that you deserve to give yourself that grace that you recognize Like I'm in that season and I'm I know I'm going to come out of it, but I also want to give myself grace and time to get through that season before I really communicate about that. So I really appreciate that. Something that I typically ask everyone on the podcast is like what do you feel is your superpower?
Speaker 1:What is my superpower? Um, wow, that's another great question. I never thought about that one. Um cause, my superpower used to be being a mom, you know. And so now that I'm evolving into a woman in business, that's a great question. I never really sat down and thought about that Before I got into business. My superpower was being a mom. You know, having four kids is not a small feat, that's a lot. And I used to always say, oh, you know, I'm keeping my kids. As long as I keep my kids alive, you know I'm doing something you know, because it's like growing a plant, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh child, I can't keep one plant alive, right in my life right.
Speaker 1:I have a whole garden and that thing just will not garden. So that was my superpower. But now, being a woman in business, um, I would say it would be my go-getter spirit. Um, I'm just not going to give up until God says all right, girl, you need to calm down this, this, this pack this up. Um, he put something in me, um, and I know that he has greatness for me. It was not just to be a mom, you know. So I'm still in that season. Me and God are still trying to figure that. Well, I'm still trying to figure out what God got for me. I'm like can you give me some cliff notes, something? So I know that I'm headed down the right path, you know, but me just staying on the path that God has me on, so far he hasn't told me I'm on the wrong path.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I love that so much. I would say, like, what is some advice that you would give to, like your 17-year-old self? Like that's something that I often like to ask my guests, and the reason why I ask that question is because many times we feel like we're not as far as we are on the journey, because it feels like we should be further. But many times, when we're able to look back and think about what our lives has evolved into, we're able to then recognize, like, actually I've actually come very far on the journey, so what's some advice you would give your 17-year-old self?
Speaker 1:so what's some advice you would give your 17 year old self? Well, I feel like my 17 year old self is still kind of here because, like you know that it feels like it was just yesterday that I was 17, right, um? And during that time in my life I was somewhat sad. I was trying to and that's just teenagers, right, we're like emos. There wasn't a lot going on in my life, but it was just like I didn't know who I was, where I was going, a lot of people were playing with me and it's like, like I'm such a kind person you know, and it's just like dang, like why are people treating me like this if I'm kind, yeah, um, and so what I would tell my 17 year old self is just ignore all of that.
Speaker 1:You cannot make people happy. Doesn't matter if you play it small, it doesn't matter if you do everything that they want, it doesn't matter if you, it just doesn't matter. You know like you are doing a great job. You know, it's not about what everybody else wants, it's about what God wants. You know, at 17, I didn't have a great relationship with God. I think part of it was I was upset because I didn't feel like I was being heard, you know. And so now that I hear God, you know it's beautiful. You know, I'm where I saw myself at 17. I'm starting to see like, wow, I'm there, you know. And so now it's like I can't begin to imagine where I'm going to be in a few years from now.
Speaker 3:I love that. I'm proud of you for that, definitely proud of you for that Awesome, and I hope that you're proud of you for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, I'm okay. You know, I, I, I have, I have conversations. You know, all the time I am proud of myself because, again, being a stay-at-home mom, being where I am now, I am proud of myself. Do I feel like I could do better? Of course, I'm a slick perfectionist, you know, but yeah, I am very proud of myself and my kids. You know, they tell me all the time how they are proud of me and my husband's proud of me. My mom, you know, they tell me all the time how they are proud of me and my husband's proud of me.
Speaker 3:My mom, you know, she's just like girl, I can't believe you are where you are and so so, yeah, I'm doing something, yeah, you're doing something, and we have to recognize that right, because I think so many times we're so bent whole on the vision he gave us and when we're focused on the vision he gave us, most times he gives you like the middle, the end. You get different snippets as you go through the journey and we have to recognize like it still takes time to get there. And so I like to ask the question about growth as it relates to your 70-year-old self versus now, so that we could be reminded of how far we are coming from. And then, separately, it also puts us in a perspective of clearly we're headed somewhere. Great, because if we've been able to do this, then what else are we going to be able to do, as long as we continue to be obedient and trust and continue to build that muscle in the relationship with him. So I love that for you.
Speaker 3:Thank you, you're welcome. So we have 10 minutes left and I want to make sure that we spend time on trivia, but I also want to give you the opportunity. If there's anything that you wanted to talk about that we didn't talk about, that you can share with younger versions of yourself, as it relates to people who want to go after their goals, whether it's that they want to go after a degree or start a business. What would you share with them?
Speaker 1:I would say, always a cliche never give up. That is not an option, um, especially if you have dreams and goals, um, and you're trying to get somewhere, wherever that may be, giving up is not an option for you. It's just not, um. But that doesn't mean to to to, to be a workhorse, you know. To be a worker bee, um, that's not God, yeah, you know, um, there's no peace in that.
Speaker 1:I've seen so many times where, um, I've met people that are worker bees, workhorses, and they're drained and they are tired and they're like I don't understand why I'm so tired. That's not of God. God does not want us, to us to deplete ourself like that. And so, yes, push forward to your dreams, don't give up, but don't overwork yourself, because then it changes your viewpoint of the dream. And yeah, I think that's pretty much it. Just don't overwork yourself. You know, I see all these like advice, people saying you know, you know, you keep working, don't sleep, you got to sleep. God talks about going to sleep like you got to sleep. If you're not sleeping, then what are you doing? It's okay to take a, you know, take a nap, yeah, and get back on it.
Speaker 1:You know, it's not a race. Yeah, yeah, take a nap and get back on it.
Speaker 3:It's not a race. Yeah, sleep hygiene is such an important thing, so I love that you touch on that. You have to make sure that you get rest in order to be able to do the things that you need to do. And I think it's imperative that we really sit in the fact that you're not speaking of living a soft life. You're just recognizing that when you're doing the work of God, it doesn't come with this sense of pressure from the perspective of oh my goodness, it's so hard to do this Like he's going to bring you the right people and the right things. So if it feels in the flesh too difficult, then maybe you're not on the right path.
Speaker 3:I always like to say that in the spirit I've said it too many times on this podcast in the spirit it feels so easy. But in the real world, with people looking at you from like a flesh perspective, it may look hard, but as long as it's ease in the spirit, you know you're on the right track. And I think a lot of times people try to force things to happen. It's like they say that people put a whatever screw into a whatever hole.
Speaker 3:I can't even think what the saying is, but we can't force things to happen that are not necessarily aligned to what God has for us. So, absolutely to your point. If you find yourself having to stay up until three in the morning to work on whatever the thing is and you're not getting any sleep, you have to reassess and think to yourself what am I doing wrong? Do I need help? Am I working in an area that is not my area of zone of genius, and do I need to hire someone to help me? Try to get a volunteer to help me or just ask for help, Because many times that's a part of the problem in terms of why people are working so hard because they're not asking for help and they're not being honest with themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so hard because they're not asking for help and they're not being honest with themselves. Yeah, and then also it's a faith posture too, you know, like trusting in God and trusting that he is going to provide everything that you need. Yeah, we don't ask. Yeah, just like you said, we, we I know that you were talking about like asking for help. You know, in anything, but yeah, yeah. We, we don't ask no-transcript.
Speaker 3:That's a great segue into the fearless flock. Why did you create that social club?
Speaker 1:Ooh, that was God's idea. I wanted to create a safe place, you know, for people to come and be socialized. You know, for God, for the most high, and not have to worry about there being. You know hard liquor, you know being. You know music, the secular music, you know just having a good time with God, you know. And still, you know God being in the room. We're talking about God, we're all aligned, we're creating community. You know, with me, I, you know with me having the magazine. You know I was going into the secular realms and stuff like that and I felt so out of place because it's like, especially early in my walk, I'm like I don't think I'm supposed to be here, you know, but with the magazine, like I'm like, okay, I have to be, you know, but I just you know, it just.
Speaker 1:It just wasn't a safe place that I felt being a child of God, you know, and so I wanted to create something, you know, for God's people. Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3:I think that that makes sense in the sense that, like you talked about earlier, like why is this happening to me? I'm a kind person and so being able to create a space for those heart center people to be able to come and, you know, heavy on listening to that gospel music, right, because when we think we're collabing on an event that's coming up it's called Karaoke, pain and Sip, it's going to be in Decatur. So get your ticket, listen, get your ticket, because it's going to be an amazing event where we're going to be able to sing and listen to our gospel music. Paint, sip, some mimosas and just mocktails and whatever. It is no hard liquor.
Speaker 1:No hard liquor Wine at most.
Speaker 3:That's it. Yes, some water, if you need that. Right.
Speaker 2:Go have that water there.
Speaker 3:Right, we're going to sip water and mind our business.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think of that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, exactly, but a safe space to your point to really have heartfelt conversation and really enjoy the things that really keep us faith-centered and keep us grounded to your point of regrounding. I think it's so important because people ask me, like Hazel, how are you able to do these things? And in doing these things, I'm turning on my gospel music before I leave out the house on my way in the car. That's what grounds me is gospel music, my walk with God and having those conversations, as well as having the right people within my circle. So this is the chance to have that safe space, to be able to show up, just really like let your shoulders back and have a great time. So I love that you're building this community. I'm glad that you included me on the iteration of the first pieces of it and I just can't wait to see everything grow, because I think when we follow what we know is in our heart to do in terms of what he's told us, it always turns out so much more beautiful than we could have ever imagined.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he be showing up and showing out. We just got to let him. Yeah, but when God does something, it's so beautiful and it's so amazing. And then you sit back and now you're in tears.
Speaker 3:You know he always has you in tears. So much bigger. It's funny. Years ago they would have this like little meme where the guy's like you thinking small something. It's probably like real secular, you thinking real small. And then it's like no, I think big, and I think the world teaches you. Sometimes when you're a go-getter and you're like making it happen, and then when you start working for a guy and really standing up his stuff, you're like man, I think small. Yeah, I thought I thought big, yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:So come think big with us, right yeah, exactly like his, his vision for us is is somewhere our, our mind probably can't even even get to you know and that's why he doesn't give us the whole scope.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he give us pieces yeah, because that pressure would just be like up to here like that how I'm supposed to do this right, like find somebody else to do it, because there's no way.
Speaker 3:And to your point, like when he gives you those pieces, you're like, oh okay, I could do this, I could run this ball. And then, when you're able to see where he takes you, you're like I see why you didn't give me the whole play and I see why you chose me for this and I'm glad you chose me for this. So I think it's that heavy on I'm chosen and us making the decision to just go, even when we can't see it clearly, even when we're in it, the fact that you're showing up today in it but you're going, and I think that's so important and I think that's such a great message for everyone. That's in a season. They're going through it, but they're still showing up for their future self. And so, hevion, keep showing up for your future self.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, that's currently the season that I'm in. Yeah, where can the listeners find you online? You can find me at Jazzy underscore Hawks on all platforms. And then the magazine at Becoming Her Mag. The magazine is Becoming Her Magazine. And the social club, the faith-based social club, the Fearless Flock. And you can find that at the Fearless Flock on all platforms.
Speaker 3:I love that, I love that, I love that. So make sure you follow jazz. I also want to circle back to the magazine, because I think it was important to mention that you kind of talked about early on in terms of like, alignment, and then I know that just after being in the magazine that it's very heavy on the person has to be face centered in order to be featured on a magazine, centered in order to be featured on a magazine. So I think that's important, that you're able to create something and then it evolves into something that makes more sense as it relates to alignment, because now you feel better in it, because you're like these people are definitely of faith centered, they understand the importance of God and many of them are heavy on. I couldn't do this if it wasn't for God. So I want to circle back to that. Like when did you make a decision, like with the magazine, that people needed to make sure that if they're on the magazine, they're serving God?
Speaker 1:And we created the magazine right, it was a magazine for all women right, it still is for all women, but as far as race goes, but it was just for all women.
Speaker 1:There was no parameters, no, nothing. And then when I got, you know, fully into my walk with God, I was like, you know, I can't be a part of a magazine that is not faith-centered, because we were getting you know people that was in spirituality, that was getting you know that had crystals, that was witchcraft, all of that stuff, and I'm like I can't be around that because I was once in that. You know, I'm trying to separate myself from that and that's not of God, right. And so, you know, I was like I can't do it if it's not going to be faith based. And so it became faith based. It feels great for it to be fully faith-based and I do not have to worry about, you know, things being snuck in underneath and you know all of the back noise. I don't have to worry about that because now God is fully in the forefront. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3:I love that going through the journey of you know the flesh and the spirit from the perspective of like you gave me this idea and I'm working with someone in terms of making this magazine happen. And then, as we're growing together as people, she's growing, I'm growing, we're recognizing the things that make sense to her, make sense to me. I have a skill set, she has a skill set, a skill set, and within that we have to create some boundaries in order to be able to actualize our goals, to bring the right people on and to be able to be at a place now where it's very clear that the people that have to be a part of the magazine have to be able to share the gospel that God has done in their life, because that is fully aligned with the gospel that God has created in my life and what I want to make sure that I'm putting at the forefront. So I love that you're at that place and I think the reality is, of course, to your point of not like speaking on much more. We're all going to go through different tests within our season.
Speaker 3:I think, as soon as we like pass our tests in terms of recognizing like okay, girl, now you know that everybody has to be face centered to be on this magazine. It's like, let me take you through another test real quick, because I think the reality is we are so ready to be like the main person on the stage as it relates to actualizing the goal we have a whole sold out show, all the things, all these different references that I'm giving. But the reality is we have to go through the test so that, once we get up there, we know what we need to do, we can actually hold the ball in the way that we need it to. I don't do sports, but I'm always referencing the ball.
Speaker 1:I know the terminology, but in sport no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Right, and so with that, we just have to be ready to be able to run the ball. So those tests are going to happen. So I can't wait to see all of the growth and the things that take place in everything that you're doing, and I thank you so much for joining us on the podcast today.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me. I was nervous, you know, because of you know, of the season that I'm in, but I'm grateful to be here. You have some great questions and so, yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Listen. Y'all, make sure y'all go follow Jazz. No-transcript.